Re: A comment on DAML FAQ

From: Deborah Mcguinness (dlm@ksl.stanford.edu)
Date: 06/09/01


I am willing to co-author an updated version of this paper aimed at daml+oil.
I am a little backlogged on writing commitments at the moment however so can not start this until
a few others are cleared off of the stack.

d

Ian Horrocks wrote:

> On June 5, Deborah Mcguinness writes:
> > Good points pat.
> >
> > In followup to the discussion in today's meeting the following two
> > additional sources of information on how to use daml-like systems follow:
> >
> > The first is how to use a kl-one-like system  (or how to use a simple dl
> > system)
> >
> > Ronald J. Brachman, Alex Borgida, Deborah L. McGuinness, Peter F.
> > Patel-Schneider, and Lori Alperin Resnick. ``Living with CLASSIC: When
> > and How to Use a KL-ONE-Like Language.'' In Principles of Semantic
> > Networks: Explorations in the representation of knowledge, ed. John Sowa.
> > San Mateo, California: Morgan Kaufmann, 1991, pages 401--456.
>
> I don't mean to disparage this paper - in fact I still regularly cite
> it and recommend it - but I would suggest that there is an urgent need
> for a more up to date version of the same kind of paper, one that
> reflects the changes in KR that have taken place in the intervening 10
> years and (some of) the additional expressive power provided by modern
> KR languages (like DAML+OIL). Any volunteers?
>
> Ian
>
> >
> > I just put up an abstract page for it that points to the postscript
> > version peter has up:
> > http://www.ksl.Stanford.EDU/people/dlm/papers/living-with-classic-abstract.html
> >
> > Also, we used the examples in this paper to provide an ontology tutorial
> > aimed more at protege than any other system.    one could think of this
> > as how to build a first ontology using a language with at least medium
> > level expressive power.
> >
> > ref:
> > Natalya Fridman Noy and Deborah L. McGuinness. ``Ontology Development
> > 101: A Guide to Creating Your First Ontology''. Stanford Knowledge
> > Systems Laboratory Technical Report KSL-01-05 and Stanford Medical
> > Informatics Technical Report SMI-2001-0880, March 2001.
> >
> > abstract (with pointers) is up at:
> > http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/papers/ontology-tutorial-noy-mcguinness-abstract.html
> >
> > d
> >
> > pat hayes wrote:
> >
> > > Q:       Do I need a Ph.D. in Artificial Intelligence to use DAML?
> > > A:
> > >         No. The designers of DAML are seeking to merge experience
> > > gained from their collective work in Knowledge
> > >         Representation and other AI fields, the World Wide Web,
> > > software development, and military and commercial
> > >         applications to provide a language and tools that balance
> > > usability and power.
> > >
> > > That answer is a bit of a cop-out. The fact is that DAML in its
> > > present form is *not* easy to learn or to follow. Many of its
> > > constructs are fairly abstruse (I'm thinking in particular of the
> > > min/maxCardinalityQ). The restriction/onProperty/toClass way of
> > > talking is not given by God to all right-thinking people, but is an
> > > idiosyncratic perspective limited to those familiar with the, er,
> > > classical class languages. It still makes my head hurt. So I think
> > > the honest answer might be more like "No, but it sure would help, and
> > > you had better know a bit about object-oriented class-inheritance
> > > languages."
> > >
> > > But more seriously, surely the first FAQ should be something like
> > > "what use is DAML to me?" or "What should I use DAML for?" or some
> > > such. The FAQ right now doesnt seem to actually say what DAML really
> > > is in any sharp sense. For example, we might point out that the
> > > 'class/property' way of talking has been widely used in Krep and is
> > > closely linked to things like data modelling languages, just to kind
> > > of locate this whole enterprise in some kind of intellectual space.
> > >
> > > Before asking why not use XML, something should explain the
> > > relationships of DAML to RDF(S) and XML.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
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 Deborah L. McGuinness
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