October 23, 2001

Attendees:
Ian
Jeff
Mike
Frank
Pat
Richard
Deb
Stefan
Peter
Sandro


Announcements:

Agenda:

minutes from October 9 and 16 - approved

submission copyright issues (Peter, et al)

	   Peter: intellectual properties rights declaration more of a
	   problem than copyright.  Still have to run down the Lucent
	   lawyer to figure out what can happen / get something to
	   happen.

	   Deb: Jim's idea about putting it in the public domain possible?
	   
	   Peter:  ok with me, W3C won't take it

	   Peter: W3C wants something from at least Lucent about the
	   intelectual properties related to this submission.

	   Peter: clauses about int. properties.  Copytright part -
	   not too bad probably can get something decent from Lucent.
	   W3C wants copyright to things done inside W3C (what does
	   inside W3C mean?)  Other Int. Property (patents) - W3C
	   isn't sure if they want royalty free or reasonable and
	   non-discriminatory licensing of this stuff (?)

	   Mike: Does this being published as W3C notes in order to be
	   used in WebOnt?

	   Mike: making editors the authors and listing the authors in
	   the text?
	   
	   Peter: copyright doesn't talk about editor.  If there are
	   no authors how can we sign over the rights?

	   Deb: Is Lucent really the only one that will have to sign
	   this?

	   Peter: as far as I know ... for W3C ... only the submitter
	   has to sign the int prop thing.  Under copyright, every
	   author has rights, so if they don't all sign it over it
	   doesn't seem like it would be complete.

	   It seems like we're inventing the wheel when someone must
	   have dont this before.

	   Peter: What I've seen is all rand stuff, not royaltry free

	   Backup options for submission ... HP, Nokia, DARPA, Dan / MIT?  

	   Keep those options in mind in case we ever need them.

extra-query information [3] (Richard, et al)

	    Richard: information that needs to be included in the
	    query and in the answer to the query.  Become more
	    convinced of the importance of all of that.  Looking for
	    general feedback on the direction the message was leading
	    first, and some specific things I'd like to discuss.

	    Pat: almost impossible to do all of this and
	    secondly something about 10 seconds in respondig to a
	    query? (not sure I got this right)

	    Richard: at the core of the matter, how many answers does
	    the client want (pos int or all) and to be able to include
	    in the query if the answers are returned are known to be
	    all of the answers.

	    Pat: I think the word query is being used 18
	    different ways and it might be important to break them
	    out.

	    Peter: three issues (??) ... model theoretic interpretation,
	    answer limiting, and resource consumption

	    Richard: How do I query asking for the parents of Joe?

	    Ask for all the answers to the query for a parent of joe
	    ... or ask for the answer to the query for all the parents
	    of joe.
	    
	    Pat: It would be safer for the base answer to be one.  If we
	    make all the base, we force all query engines to do
	    exhaustive searchers, some of which may be infinite.