August 14, 2001

Attendees:
Pat
Mike
Ian
Dan
Eric Miller
Ben Grosof
Steffan
Deb
Frank
Jim

Announcements:

Agenda:
W3C WebOnt status - Eric Miller

    W3C has issued a call partifipation in the WebOnt Working group!

    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001Aug/0014.html
    
    http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/ -- for background documents,
    information about joining, etc.

    If you're not affiliated with a W3C member organization but you'd
    like to contribute, contact the chair.

    Chair:  Jim Hendler

    http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/charter -- charter 

    October for the first face 2 face meeting for WebOnt   


Ian: interactions with the DAML-S folks coming out of the DAML PI
meeting about language expressiveness
	
	Have base language with modules with more detail to be added
	on.  So that you don't have the level of detail in the base
	language.  

	Eric Miller agrees witht he suggestion of layered vocabularies
	for supporting daml-s

	Dan: Layered vocabularies makes sense ... follows the "partial
	understanding" principle.  But by that same principle, I'd
	like to look closer at the idea that the process descriptions
	should be in a different language from the service
	descriptions.

	perhaps some of the worries about expressiveness ... we were
	worrying too much about it.  Let them write down what they
	want to write down (let daml-s be a level on daml+oil as
	daml+oil is on rdf)

	Ian: has a copy of the most recent. 

	The fact that there are many bugs in their daml-s says that
	very few will be able to write daml+oil with just a text
	editor ... which we have known.  We need composing tools, etc.

	RDF Parser == ARP (via Eric Miller)
	http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator

	Dan and Eric hope to see the oli-ed checker exposed as a web
	form, ala SirPAC
	

SWWS workshop generated much interest in lots of different groups,
industrial, etc.

Ian: IJCAI .. Side meeeting of rules at this meeting.

     Ian, Ben, Stefan, Peter in attendance

     better understanding of both sides ... by indentifying the
     intersection between the two languages (daml+oil and some rules
     language).

     problem is, this subset is tricky

     ben: good news, quite a bit of expressiveness in daml+oil

     bad news, takes a bit of work to push it as far as it can go

     union of the two ... 

     ben and ian will talk more and have a more detailed write up of
     this for next week.

     Mike put out a rules proposal, see link in the agenda


Jim:  panel at IJCAI
      
      impressed by the general idea that people seemed interested in
      putting semantic information on the web.


Future plans

       one proposal: use this as a marking point for the committee
       ... a point where people who want to exit gracefully may do so,
       and probably pick up a few members.  Jim: the original "idea"
       of this committee is somewhat completed with the announcement.
       Perhaps we could find a new thing to go after ... perhaps rules
       and querries.

       Dan will probably not be involed, jim too, if we do this as
       they will be consumed by the new WebOnt WG
       
       Ben? suggest that we make it a priority to have a w3c
       representative with this group.

       Suggest very tight connection between the future here and the
       WebOnt WG

Deb: FOIS meeting oct 17-19  in maine http://www.fois.org/fois-2001/

Deb: RKF oct 17-19 in washington dc

Ian: NFS-EU strategic workshop is oct 3-5
       
Jim: requesting the permission to invited Murray Burke be invited to
come on with this ... permission granted :)
http://www.darpa.mil/ito/personnel/mburke.html

Next week 

     Mike suggest we use the same time schedule and have an equal mix
     of technical and procedural discussion.